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fred · April 2nd, 2005, 08:05 PM

given a choice which one do most people choose Phrag Grande or Paul Eugene Conroy Looking for long petals Ray

Paphgirl · April 2nd, 2005, 08:48 PM

Hey Fred,
I just moved this thread to this discussion forum, out of the gallery, hope that's ok - figured you might get more response here.

To answer your question - Grande gets the vote from me, however, I own a Penn's Creek Cascade, which is wallisii x Grande and petals, tho long, are not that long. PEC is wallisii x longifolium, so will get big also. What about just getting a wallisii? Then you get long petals, and a species to boot!

If you are looking for long petaled Phrags? I'd just go for a species...four to choose from! I'd say wallisii is a good choice, but that's just me.

Paphraguy · April 2nd, 2005, 10:28 PM

I think it is really a personal choice. For me, I prefer the Grande but that is my choice and others may prefer PEC to Grande.

I agree with heather that if you like long petalled Phrags, then go for the species because they will have longer petals than those of the hybrids. Hope this helps!

Eric Muehlbauer · April 3rd, 2005, 12:01 AM

I can't get Grande to bloom at all..even though I've had it for years and its multigrowth...and finding a phrag that refuses to bloom is not easy! I can only think of sclimii as an eaqually recalcitrant phrag. PEC did bloom for me, huge blooms, but too heavy to be supported, so the looked weird hanging down from the stalk. Take care, Eric

Park Bear · April 5th, 2005, 10:18 AM

When in doubt get both. You can always find more room or buy a bigger house

. I have both and I like grande a little better, but both are nice plants.

Ray · April 6th, 2005, 12:39 PM

I agree, get both, but expect PEC to be easier to bloom. It was the first phrag I ever grew in S/H culture. Here is a photo of the first blooming seedling, about 6 months after moving it over:

The petals keep elongating until they hit the ground (or benchtop).

paphreek · April 6th, 2005, 12:46 PM

Like the pink on your PEC, Ray. PEC was easier to get to bloom for me, also. But now the my Grande has multiple growths, it seems to bloom every year, too.

Paphgirl · April 6th, 2005, 06:20 PM

I agree, the pink on that is very nice, Ray! Nice photo also!

Park Bear · April 7th, 2005, 07:47 AM

I belief I just saw my PEC starting a spike last night

. I did not have time to spend anytime in there, but I did stick my head in there for a quick look.

Bozo · April 24th, 2005, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fred

given a choice which one do most people choose Phrag Grande or Paul Eugene Conroy Looking for long petals Ray

petal length should be similar and will depend considerably on the species parent used. wallisii on average has shorter petals than caudatum/wars, and your average PEC probably has slightly shorter petals than your average Grande...although not every caudatum has great petals!

I'd base it on color. PEC blooms in pastel tan tones. Grande ranges from a "pale gold" to a rich mahogany, especially if made with a good warscewiczianum (although that is now renamed supergrande or something)

April 2nd, 2005, 08:05 PM	#1
fred Diamond Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rhode Island Age: 59 Posts: 2,234 Interests: gardening and orchids	Grande or Paul Eugene Conroy given a choice which one do most people choose Phrag Grande or Paul Eugene Conroy Looking for long petals Ray

April 2nd, 2005, 10:28 PM	#3
Paphraguy Forum Founder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 13,648 First Name: Peter Interests: Slipper Orchids Favorite Slipper Orchid: Paph sanderianum Favorite Non Slipper Orchid: Brassia gireoudiana Wishlist: Paphiopedlum anitum	I think it is really a personal choice. For me, I prefer the Grande but that is my choice and others may prefer PEC to Grande. I agree with heather that if you like long petalled Phrags, then go for the species because they will have longer petals than those of the hybrids. Hope this helps! __________________ Peter Founder of The Slipper Orchid Forum

April 5th, 2005, 10:18 AM	#5
Park Bear Diamond Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lowell in SW Ohio Age: 47 Posts: 3,591 First Name: Lowell Interests: Jesus, Golf, Fish breeder, cigars, pipes, coaching sports, bicycle touring	When in doubt get both. You can always find more room or buy a bigger house . I have both and I like grande a little better, but both are nice plants. __________________ Park Bear

April 7th, 2005, 07:47 AM	#9
Park Bear Diamond Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lowell in SW Ohio Age: 47 Posts: 3,591 First Name: Lowell Interests: Jesus, Golf, Fish breeder, cigars, pipes, coaching sports, bicycle touring	I belief I just saw my PEC starting a spike last night . I did not have time to spend anytime in there, but I did stick my head in there for a quick look. __________________ Park Bear

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April 2nd, 2005, 08:48 PM	#2
Paphgirl Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston, MA Age: 38 Posts: 7,340 First Name: Heather Interests: I'll give you one guess...	Hey Fred, I just moved this thread to this discussion forum, out of the gallery, hope that's ok - figured you might get more response here. To answer your question - Grande gets the vote from me, however, I own a Penn's Creek Cascade, which is wallisii x Grande and petals, tho long, are not that long. PEC is wallisii x longifolium, so will get big also. What about just getting a wallisii? Then you get long petals, and a species to boot! If you are looking for long petaled Phrags? I'd just go for a species...four to choose from! I'd say wallisii is a good choice, but that's just me.

April 3rd, 2005, 12:01 AM	#4
Eric Muehlbauer Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 213 Interests: Paphs, Phrags, Cyps	I can't get Grande to bloom at all..even though I've had it for years and its multigrowth...and finding a phrag that refuses to bloom is not easy! I can only think of sclimii as an eaqually recalcitrant phrag. PEC did bloom for me, huge blooms, but too heavy to be supported, so the looked weird hanging down from the stalk. Take care, Eric

April 6th, 2005, 12:39 PM	#6
Ray Bronze Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: PA Posts: 34	I agree, get both, but expect PEC to be easier to bloom. It was the first phrag I ever grew in S/H culture. Here is a photo of the first blooming seedling, about 6 months after moving it over: The petals keep elongating until they hit the ground (or benchtop).

April 6th, 2005, 12:46 PM	#7
paphreek Almost Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Balmy Minnesota Posts: 1,926 First Name: Ross Interests: Paphs, Phrags, Cyps, those other orchids	Like the pink on your PEC, Ray. PEC was easier to get to bloom for me, also. But now the my Grande has multiple growths, it seems to bloom every year, too.

April 6th, 2005, 06:20 PM	#8
Paphgirl Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston, MA Age: 38 Posts: 7,340 First Name: Heather Interests: I'll give you one guess...	I agree, the pink on that is very nice, Ray! Nice photo also!

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