just wondering if anyone had pulled them out of there glass jar yet and we could all share experiences sadly i didn't have the money or the transport to get a flask so i will just be a spectator at the moment.

just wondering if anyone had pulled them out of there glass jar yet and we could all share experiences sadly i didn't have the money or the transport to get a flask so i will just be a spectator at the moment.

I know of some people who have them but I believe they're still in flask.

Do you know where I can get some???

Darren

Sad news on my front

I had to deflask due to a stupid error which contaminated the flask - no survivors. The plants were visibly fading on a daily basis though so I'm not too sure it made any difference.

On the plus side my kovachii/wallsii crosses were deflasked three weeks ago and are powering along quite nicely thnks.

I had the opportunity to speak with Doug Matters at the recent TAPS minishow - he wasn't all that happy with his either. Doug is the one person in Queensland I expect to grow one to flower. Down South will probably get there quicker though.

Cheers
Stephan

thats really sad and i feel sorry for you. but it does mean two things one that there are going to be a lot of angry people that are out of pocket as well as a scarecity of Phrag Kovachii which will drive the price up so that the average orchid grower who didn't buy a flask wont be able too afford one.

I've deflasked both of mine...

the first because mold started growing on it... unfortunately, they were quite small so I don't know if they will survive...

this is how they looked after deflasking...
http://static.flickr.com/115/295106973_b28e7fcad1.jpg

so far two have died so only six are left...

the other flask I deflasked about 10 days afterwards because we got a 35 celsius day and a couple browned off, so I put them in another compot..

so far no death... but not much going on either...
http://static.flickr.com/108/295112399_a19de0d976.jpg

Hopefully, other people who bought these plants are doing much better... from what has been talked of around these forums I'm thinking that folks in Victoria and Tasmania may have a better chance of getting these to flowering stage!

cheers
tim

Stephan

Could you post pictures of both
- the species compot (that you think fading away)
-And the wallisii x kovachii compot.

Tim
Look likes your plants have leaves, so they do have a chance to survive. What sizes do you say they are? height & leaf span?
Are you guys in the summer heat now?
I thought that between July to November (5 months) your plants would have enough time to grow to survive the heat?


-On the flask pk Anna x Laura (very large size seedlings in flask) from Glen & the wallisii x kovachii (also very large size seedlings) from Manolo, I keep their roots immerse in water, and they all have root rot. I repot the survived ones, spritz them everyday, but not sit them in water. They still struggle hard from all the root lost. Time will tell whether any of them will make it.
-I lost 2 species flasks from Manolo. One flask turns brown from heat, I try sphagnum moss, but it did not help.
The second one I pot in diatomite , doesn't seem to get better either. I think the plants from these flasks lost too many leaves, the undifferentiate growths do not survive outside.

Daniel
I do not think the price of the seedling will rise above 75 dollar in the future (that is the price from Glen & Manriques group now), and this price is for a good size seedling , I thought they are working out the plan to export to Asia & australia. why don't you check with him, that price may even goes down in the future.

I've heard that some people are going to have access to seedling out of flask for $30 each in Australian dollars in the coming 12 months.

That isn't too bad as the seedlings are a good size apparently.

I will be looking to get some if I can, this climate should be close to ideal hopefully.

Hi Hien

Way too embarrased to post pictures of what's left of the kovachii plants at this time. They look much the same as Tim's plants but are quite unequivocally dead - The kovachii by wallisii seedlings were crowding the flask so I deflasked them about 4 weeks ago now. I noted some pitting in some of the leaves of the seedlings at the time I deflasked and this has since turned in to some leaf died back which didn't spread. I currently have nine seedlings and three of them are showing new leaf growth. photo taken about five minutes ago - Coke can for scale.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a236/shaberer/Phragmipedium/Kovachiibywallisii.jpg

I've put the plants in an even parts blend of small hardwood bark, small charcoal and super coarse perlite. It drains well and holds some moisture without being "sloppy". I'm a bit gun shy given an earlier post that mentioned death by overwatering.

Cheers
Stephan

Daniel

Pricing is relative - patience is an art form :) Let other people discover how to grow kovachii up and spend their money. Then you can benefit from their learnings with the confidence that you [I]can[I] spend your hard earned cash and it won't (maybe) be wasted. :)

Mate, you're still in your teens, I'm 46. Everything's relative. BTW, I'll be deflasking my kovachii x dellesandroi and schlimii crosses soon enough. The dellesandroi crosses are "clumping" in the flask and two of the plants are crowding the top. I'd like to wait a little while longer so that I can get as many plants as possible from my five plant flask :)

Cheers
Stephan

yeah i always was going to wait until the successes and failures of this species came through also that com pot seems to be growing quiet well

Stephan
Your wallisii X pk Tupac Amaru seedlings look very well. I think you do it right. Keep up the good work.
Make sure that you do not sit the compot in water (that is my mistake, mine started out just like yours with multiple growths, only couple weeks later sit in water, all the roots & side growths rot & die) The survival ones really look miserable (It will be nice if I am able to save 1 or 2 at this point)
Daniel,
wait and buy the larger pk plants, you have plenty of time in the world. In a year or two the price will be more affordable and the plants will be in better shape too.
Check out the picture of Ron's pk hybrid, the leaf span is almost 9 inches
(this is in JohnDc thread time for a kovachii seedling update) and you see my point

Stephan
How are your kovachii doing, is it summer weather now in Australia is it not? they must be quite big now ?

Tim
how about the two compots that you try to grow in sphagnum. Did they make it?
All of the ones that I try to save in sphagnum died.

It is amazing that after 8 months, the plants in flask hardly grow at all, still tiny.
Once a while they sprout new lead nubs or roots (then turn brown at any chance they can). I think peoples who has access to replate fare much better.

Hien

what is the current price for flasks and plants in Australia?
I have four seedlings of hybrids and a few very small kovachii species. Pk x sAINT oUEN AND pk X Cape Sunset are growing the fastest and St Ouen has a 10.5 " leaf spread and the Cape Sunset cross an almost 12" spread I hope to have them in spike within a year at the rate they are growing. PK X Walter Schomburg 3" and 2.5" for Living Fire 4N cross. The species has only a 1.5" leaf spread. They were all deflasked around the same time.

the flasks were available at the orchid conference in july and there has been no talk of sales of flasks or seedlings since

what is the current price for flasks and plants in Australia?
I have four seedlings of hybrids and a few very small kovachii species. Pk x sAINT oUEN AND pk X Cape Sunset are growing the fastest and St Ouen has a 10.5 " leaf spread and the Cape Sunset cross an almost 12" spread I hope to have them in spike within a year at the rate they are growing. PK X Walter Schomburg 3" and 2.5" for Living Fire 4N cross. The species has only a 1.5" leaf spread. They were all deflasked around the same time.

Ron , are they all the same size at deflasking?
Your observation about the species makes me feel less anxious.
Do you mean each leaf size 1.5"?

the flasks were available at the orchid conference in july and there has been no talk of sales of flasks or seedlings since

:mad: :help: Daniel. We purchased a flask of kovachii seedlings at the AOC Show in July. They really grew gang busters until the first warm day in early December and all of a sudden they all started to turn brown. They were taken out of the flask into a compot but I am afraid that I will be extremely lucky if any survive. I followed the instructions from the vendor, to the letter, and sincerely believe that here on the mid-north coast of Aussie, we will have to refrigerate the flasks once the spring weather has arrived. Have you heard of anyone elses experiences in Aussie. Wyruna

....Sorry to hear that but phrag kovachii flasks die in heat. Peter Croezen, a professional flasker, involved with kovachii since the beginning and only legal vendor of kovachii in Canada, had to install air conditioning to keep the flasks from browning. i believe I've read old posts here where similar things happened...browning flasks in warmer days. When the seedlings are deflasked and older they can withstand more heat although they grow slower in warm conditions. Best Wishes for your seedlings

....Sorry to hear that but phrag kovachii flasks die in heat. Peter Croezen, a professional flasker and only legal vendor of kovachii in Canada, had to install air conditioning to keep the flasks from browning. i believe I've read old posts here where similar things happened...browning flasks in warmer days. When the seedlings are deflasked and older they can withstand more heat although they grow slower in these conditions.
Thanks, just as I expected. That is one of the problems of living in paradise. Oh well, i guess that kovachii is one flask that I can cross off my list and hope that I can source a more advanced plant at a later date.

I wish sometimes I lived in paradise...there are so many other orchids you can grow outdoors. I plan on buying a seedling from him but I'm scared the days will be too warm for me too in July...I don't have air conditioning. But he did say hardened seedlings out of flask like the ones he is selling are more tolerant. I believe up to 25oC

:mad: :help: Daniel. We purchased a flask of kovachii seedlings at the AOC Show in July. They really grew gang busters until the first warm day in early December and all of a sudden they all started to turn brown. They were taken out of the flask into a compot but I am afraid that I will be extremely lucky if any survive. I followed the instructions from the vendor, to the letter, and sincerely believe that here on the mid-north coast of Aussie, we will have to refrigerate the flasks once the spring weather has arrived. Have you heard of anyone elses experiences in Aussie. Wyruna
Eric, funny that you said it, Unless I get access to replating, I actually am thinking I may have to put them in my refrigerator (maybe in the box for vegetable) when May/June rolling in this year. (it's been a year since I had the flasks (3 flasks had gone to heaven).
The rest keep growing a little bit, then losing ground. then struggle to regrow new leads, then brown at the leads. repeatingly.
Very strange!

I still wonder how Tim's last year urgent deflasked seedlings doing?

Ron , are they all the same size at deflasking?
Your observation about the species makes me feel less anxious.
Do you mean each leaf size 1.5"? no the total leaf spread is no more than 1.5" The species was a bit smaller at deflasking but the hybrids were all about the same size with the natural variation in size that is expected in a flask