Could someone look up award info for Paph Vanda M Pearman?

Flower dimensions, flower number etc. descriptions. I am getting interested in the AOS judging system.

Thanks!

Is there any specific clone you are inquiring about? There are a number of awards for this grex.

Is there any specific clone you are inquiring about? There are a number of awards for this grex.

No, maybe the most recent ones would be best. or the highest scoring ones.

I would also be interested in information for Paph Ho Chi Minh.

Thanks!

Here's Vanda M. Pearman:

http://www.slipperorchids.info/vmpearman.pdf

Ho Chi Minh is too new to be listed in Orchidwiz.

--Stephen

Ho Chi Minh has not been awarded by the AOS. Part of the reason is that Paph vietnamense is still on the AOS banned list. Vietnamense or it's hybrids cannot be judged until they lift the ban. Several other species cannot be judged at this point due to the fact that they are not legal in the U.S. according to our interpretation of CITES. The country of origin has not issued the CITES paperwork for several illegally imported species.
Of course, breeding with many of these species is being done in Europe and Asia.

Here's Vanda M. Pearman:

http://www.slipperorchids.info/vmpearman.pdf

Ho Chi Minh is too new to be listed in Orchidwiz.

--Stephen

Thanks a lot. Some of the Vanda M Pearman winners sound like large plants. I will have to wait a few years.

I guess I have nothing to comapre my Ho Chi Minh to.

Ho Chi Minh has not been awarded by the AOS. Part of the reason is that Paph vietnamense is still on the AOS banned list. Vietnamense or it's hybrids cannot be judged until they lift the ban. Several other species cannot be judged at this point due to the fact that they are not legal in the U.S. according to our interpretation of CITES. The country of origin has not issued the CITES paperwork for several illegally imported species.
Of course, breeding with many of these species is being done in Europe and Asia.

Do you know what other Paphs are on the banned list?

Thanks!

hrm I think I just read in the OD blurb pages that the AOS lifted the ban on judging vietnamense, but the presenter has to have a paper trail verifying that the plant is legal. No idea if this applies to the vietnamense hybrids...

--Stephen

I don't have the list in front of me but remember the following: helenae, tranlienianum, ooii, gigantifolium, hangianum, anitum, maybe jackii, vietnamense.....
The problem is getting CITES paperwork from the country of origin for illegally exported plants.

Ho Chi Minh has not been awarded by the AOS. Part of the reason is that Paph vietnamense is still on the AOS banned list. Vietnamense or it's hybrids cannot be judged until they lift the ban. Several other species cannot be judged at this point due to the fact that they are not legal in the U.S. according to our interpretation of CITES. The country of origin has not issued the CITES paperwork for several illegally imported species.
Of course, breeding with many of these species is being done in Europe and Asia.

Paph. Ho Chi Minh had actually been awarded last summer in Chicago. The plant is owned by Acker's of WI. It received an HCC. However, the award has not appeared in Award Quarterly yet.

No, maybe the most recent ones would be best. or the highest scoring ones.

Logically the latest one and the highest scoring ones will be the best reference. Unfotunately, however, it is not the case. Like what I said in the other topic, one needs to know which region gave the award. Let's use other example so I will not offend any region in the States....An FCC aranda from Swiss is most likely not as good as an HCC from Singapore. Because the population of aranda in Swiss is only a small fraction of what in Singapore. Judges in Swiss have not seen and been familiar with this genus.

Once again, the value of awards from each regions are varies. You need to know where the awards came from.

RS

Ho Chi Minh was also awarded March 06 at the Philadelphia Flower Show, I think it ws an HCC.

A vietnamense got awarded around Feb or Mar this year ('07).

As well in Canada, I heard paph helenae as once awarded by AOS too
As long as the plant can be proven legal, it can be awarded correct?
Many of these illegal paphs hybrids are legal in Canada. I suppose the AOS can judge those in Canada

Ho Chi Minh was also awarded March 06 at the Philadelphia Flower Show, I think it ws an HCC.

A vietnamense got awarded around Feb or Mar this year ('07).

I was not aware of the Paph Ho Chin Minh being awarded. The only way that AOS judges can award these plants at this time is if they have proof that the plant came from an approved source. (i.e. Antec) There are lots of other vietnamense plants and hybrids that were not from the rescue center and therefore are illegal according to AOS and the U.S. CITES police.
They are easily obtained in Canada, but cannot be judged by the AOS without documentation. The same rules apply to other Vietnamese species that were discovered after the CITES rule changes for slippers.

It's sort ironic that the new forms of Paph delenatii are sprouting up all over, and that they are also recent imports from Vietnam. Paph delenatii was carefully grown from a selfing of a plant by Vacherot & LeCoufle in France in the 1920's. They were quite homogenous as a result and didn't have as much vigor as the recent crosses.

These recent forms of Paph delenatii would also be illegal by the standards of Paph vietnamense if they had not been previously represented by the earlier French delenatii's. It's sort of hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

These recent forms of Paph delenatii would also be illegal by the standards of Paph vietnamense if they had not been previously represented by the earlier French delenatii's. It's sort of hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

YES :iagree:

I agree...

...also think how many paph armeniacums awarded that probably were smuggled...