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newbie
November 14th, 2010, 07:41 AM
Just a curious question here. If Phrags grow naturally in S. America, why aren't they found in N. America particularly in the lower states where climates are almost similar to S. America? Could it be possible that they do grow here naturally and are not discovered?

Eric

phragmip
November 14th, 2010, 08:39 AM
This is an interesting question!

casey
November 14th, 2010, 10:49 AM
It is all about evolution. Phrags didn't evolve in NA probably because of climatic changes. I doubt if there are any undiscovered Phrags growing in the woods of NA.

Bill Zimmerman
November 14th, 2010, 11:00 AM
Good question....You could also ask why Paphs are only in SE Asia, or why Cypripediums are widely spread in the northern hemisphere of Europe, America and Asia. It is all about evolution and acceptable habitat for these species. My guess is that the multiple ice ages impacted the ability of Phragmipedium to migrate further north.

Brendan
November 14th, 2010, 11:47 AM
Great question. I'm a bit confused about the cypripediums though. Arent they also found growing in Mexico?

casey
November 14th, 2010, 01:36 PM
Great question. I'm a bit confused about the cypripediums though. Arent they also found growing in Mexico?

The same story goes with the Cypripediums. Mexico is still considered a country in North America but not so sure if the ice or glaciers ever reached all the way south to Mexico. If anything I would think that Cyps would be more closely related to Phrags than Paphs but that is just my theory. But then again Paphs also grow somewhat closer to some Cyps in Asia. Interesting questions here.

Paul B
November 14th, 2010, 04:21 PM
interesting questions!!! anyone know if the mexico cyps and phrags overlap where they grow??

Rocco
November 14th, 2010, 05:14 PM
It is all about evolution. Interesting stuff!

phragmip
November 14th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Very interesting responses. Somehow I had a feeling it had something to do with evolution. :)

Chosen One
November 14th, 2010, 08:47 PM
Good thought provoking questions! Cypripediums are also one of the most primitive plants which Paphs and Phrags may have branched off from in the evolutionary path.

skipper
November 14th, 2010, 10:47 PM
Wow interesting discussion. I never knew Cyps were that old.

Tom S
November 15th, 2010, 12:00 AM
Interesting thread!

Very informative!

newbie
November 15th, 2010, 05:36 PM
Thanks for all the great replies! I didn't even think of the similarities between cyps and Paphs. So evolution plays a big part huh!

phragmip
November 16th, 2010, 12:14 PM
There are so many different genera and species of orchids and I wonder why the slippers branched off and have become so different looking than the other orchids?

casey
November 20th, 2010, 07:41 AM
There are so many different genera and species of orchids and I wonder why the slippers branched off and have become so different looking than the other orchids?

Because they have adapted so well to their conditions over time after the continents split and have evolved.

orchidlover
November 25th, 2010, 12:58 PM
I think a Phrag and Selenipedium hybrid would get really big if they could be hybridized.

fairorchids
December 2nd, 2010, 05:22 PM
Great question. I'm a bit confused about the cypripediums though. Arent they also found growing in Mexico?

The Cypripediums in Mexico (& southern US) tend to be at higher elevations, thus plants are still in temperate or cooler temperature ranges.

Kim