I bought a Phrag hybrid and this is what is on the label: Phragmipedium (boissertanum x peracii) x bessae.

I am assuming the boissertanum portion really should be boissierianum (please correct me if I am wrong). But what about the rest? Is it a cross of these 2 species (boissierianum x peracii) that is then crossed again with bessae? Is there a registered name for this hybrid?

Please let me know what your thoughts are.

Thank you,
Tom

hey Tom,

firstly the species involved in the above are:-

Phragmipedium boissierianum
Phragmipedium pearcei
Phragmipedium bessae

the first cross, ie

Phrag boissierianum x Phrag pearcei = Phragmipedium Taras

this was registered in 2003.

The next cross, ie

Phrag Taras x Phrag bessae = unregistered

or at least that is as much as I can figure out on the Royal Horticultural Society (http://www.rhs.org.uk/seedlist/registration_orchids.asp)'s website

cheers
tim

boissierianum x pearcei = Phrag Taras

I don't know if Taras x besseae has been named

Phrag. Taras was originally made with Phrag. pearcei var. ecuadorense. So from that point of view, if you see ecuadorense "separate" from pearcei then boissierianum x pearcei is unnamed. The RHS however sees ecuadorense now-a-days as being synonymous with pearcei.

Just my two cents...


Rob.

Taras x besseae has not been named yet. Rob is right if the cross was made with ecuadorense than actually it is not registered right because of the name changes.
I will ask Allen (who registered it ) which plant he used.

Taras x besseae has not been named yet. Rob is right if the cross was made with ecuadorense than actually it is not registered right because of the name changes.
I will ask Allen (who registered it ) which plant he used.

Thank you everyone for the help. I am looking forward to see if I should label Taras x besseae or if I should leave it as it was originally labeled (with the correct spellings of course :D )

Hii spoke with Allen and in the Taras cross he used ecuadorense.

Hii spoke with Allen and in the Taras cross he used ecuadorense.

I am even more confused now.......LOL

If I am understanding this correctly though it could not be labeled as Phrag Taras x besseae because Phrag Taras was made with ecuadorense and not pearcei.

So does that mean it was labeled correctly with (Phrag boissierianum x Phrag pearcei) X Phrag bessae?

when Allen regeristed it ,it was pearcei x boissierianum .But at the time i think that ecuadorense was put in with pearcei. So that is why it is labelled the way it is Taras. Now ecuadorense is a seperat speciese. I don't know what else to say. In theary it is listed wrong in the data base.
It should read ecuadorense x boissierianum if it came from Allen. so I would ask who you got it from if pearcei was used that by rights it is not Taras x besseae. It is probally the correct label.
I don't know what the people who run the registry will do. There is a lot of plants that are not what they say they are.
We are actually remaking phrag crosses and flowering them to make sure what is what. so when we bred we are using what they say they are. Hope this has helped some.

When dealing with registered hybrids one must deal with the names accepted as valid by the International Registrar so one uses the accepted names in the labels. It doesnt hurt whatsoever to keep track of the "original" (for lack of a better word) data since for starters it helps explain differences among hybrids made with the diferent varieties of the same species.