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silence882 August 6th, 2005, 02:55 PM Hey all, I've started amassing some data from various sources and decided to post some of it to a website:
http://paphfacts.maclenet.com/
If some forum members could check it out and make suggestions on how to improve the tables and images, and note any missing info that might be helpful, I would appreciate it. It is a work in progress in its infancy, but it would be nice to get suggestions now to avoid major revisions in the future.
--Stephen
SteveT August 6th, 2005, 05:41 PM That's amazing, yours looks a ripoff of the taxonomy page I spent a few hours setting up a year ago:
YOURS: http://paphfacts.maclenet.com/bctaxa.html
silence882 August 6th, 2005, 06:04 PM Yeah, i got the idea (but not the code) for the table structure from that page. I saw it a while back and mimicked it when I set up all my tables.
--Stephen
Stephan August 6th, 2005, 07:26 PM I get a blank black page - hmmmmm
Cheers
Stephan
silence882 August 6th, 2005, 07:33 PM Hrm how odd, the index page erased itself, but only the body. I have reset it so I hope it works from now on. Thanks for the heads up.
--Stephen
Stephan August 6th, 2005, 07:38 PM That's better - I can see now :)
Reviewing -----
Cheers
Stephan
Stephan August 6th, 2005, 07:42 PM Just a quickie on taxonomy side of things ---
I s'pose the P. callosum as P crossii in "Paphiopedilum" by Braem & Chiron is still controversial enough for you not to have included it?
Cheers
Stephan
silence882 August 6th, 2005, 09:03 PM Stephan,
At the moment I am only listing the basics of what others have said. Braem-Chiron's breakdown as cited does not mention the name P. callosum, so I decided not to include it in the page on their structure. Hopefully, I will get a chance to look at the two original descriptions and judge for myself which name should be used. Thanks for the comment!
--Stephen
silence882 October 5th, 2005, 02:14 AM I updated the page! If anyone has any suggestions for changes or additional info, that would be great.
http://paphfacts.maclenet.com/
--Stephen
phragfan October 6th, 2005, 03:40 PM I was able to load the front page in FireFox, but the only links that works from there for me were:
http://paphfacts.maclenet.com/phylogeneral.jpg
http://paphfacts.maclenet.com/phylophraggruss.jpg
http://paphfacts.maclenet.com/phylophrag.jpg
All the other pages came in black with no data.
Looks like a great idea, though. I tried to do something like that by combining info from several sources into a Word document.
silence882 October 6th, 2005, 07:22 PM pf, Thanks for the heads up, I've been having issues with the server that's hosting the site and will be finding a new one. I replaced the index file, so hopefully everything's working now.
--Stephen
phragfan October 6th, 2005, 10:23 PM pf, Thanks for the heads up, I've been having issues with the server that's hosting the site and will be finding a new one. I replaced the index file, so hopefully everything's working now.
--Stephen
I have several browsers on my Mac. Safari won't bring in the index at all. Here's the source code for the empty page, if that is of help:
<html>
<head>
<title>Paph Facts</title>
</head>
<body bgcolor="#000000" text="#FFFFFF" vlink="#FF0000" link="#00FF00">
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iCab brings in almost all the links I tried. It wouldn't bring in Phrag Taxonomy. Here's the source code for the empty page:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>Phrag Taxonomy: Gruss</title>
</head>
<body bgcolor="#000000" text="#FFFFFF" vlink="#FF0000">
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Firefox brings in the index, but has the same problems as my previous post. Here's the source code for the empty Complete Tree page:
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>500 Internal Error</TITLE></HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#cc9999"><H2>500 Internal Error</H2>
There was an unusual problem serving the requested URL '/phylotree.jpg'.
<HR>
<ADDRESS>thttpd/2.21 20apr2001 (http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/)</ADDRESS>
</BODY></HTML>
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Internet Explorer had no problem loading any of the links I tried, so you must be using a Microsoft product to create the pages. Adobe GoLive or Macromedia might give you more universal code.
However, having seen your pages, I must say that I am impressed with the amount of information there -- and the amount of effort you've done to put it all together. Now, if you would make a printer-friendly version...:Grin:
Dot
Paphgirl October 7th, 2005, 06:56 AM I haven't checked yet, but I will today.
I had some Safari related trouble on Steve T's site also.
(and I refuse to use other browsers.) :wink:
phragfan October 7th, 2005, 09:28 AM I haven't checked yet, but I will today.
I had some Safari related trouble on Steve T's site also.
(and I refuse to use other browsers.) :wink:
I suppose this is :offtopic: but: I use different browsers for different things. iCab is Mac only, and is a great, fast "must have" for me. The latest version doesn't have the printing capabilities that the earlier versions have yet, so I'm still using v.2.9.8. It has a separate print window where you can customize just about everything as to how you want to print a web page. Firefox is also very good -- fast and loads some pages more quickly than Safari. It also doesn't crash when I access weather.com like Safari does, and I have the latest version of Safari. I hardly ever use IE, but as noted above, some sites created by Microsoft products don't like other browsers.
Dot
silence882 October 7th, 2005, 03:58 PM Thanks for the help, I've gotten fed up with the host and switched the website to: http://www.slipperorchids.info
Hopefully I'll have the page back up ASAP.
Also, I eliminated the meta tags that MS Frontpage automatically included in the sites, so hopefully they'll work will all browsers now. I use firefox pretty much exclusively.
--Stephen
silence882 October 7th, 2005, 05:27 PM The page is now completely up!
All the links should work and I've updated some stuff.
--Stephen
phragfan October 7th, 2005, 09:22 PM Great! It seems to be working just fine now. Loads pretty quickly, also. Thanks for all your work. Please do think about putting that in a downloadable .pdf file. I'd even pay for it! :shock:
Dot
Mang October 8th, 2005, 02:03 AM Great work Stephen! Thanks a lot for sharing.
Mang
Gore42 October 8th, 2005, 04:56 PM Hey Silence882,
I like the charts and info... lots of useful stuff in there. I've added your website to the Links page on my own website :) Of course, my web site doest actually get many hits, so it won't really increase yours anyway. But it's the thought that counts?
-Matt Gore
silence882 October 9th, 2005, 11:29 PM Thanks for the supportive comments! I have added a new page chocked full of 19th and 20th century articles:
http://www.slipperorchids.info/periodicals/periodicals.html
Please lemme know what you think. It, like the rest of the site, is only preliminary, but I'd like to know what people think before I start adding more.
A pdf is definitely gonna be added...but not for a long long while. I wanna get much more info before I start considering it.
--Stephen
Gideon October 10th, 2005, 12:41 AM Lovely
Mang October 10th, 2005, 02:37 AM Stephen, do you have a list of the different (named) varieties/cultivars of P insigne (alongwith description)?
Regards Mang
phragfan October 10th, 2005, 09:42 AM Great idea! What magazine is next? Your site should really be an assist to research. Thanks.
silence882 October 10th, 2005, 06:21 PM Mang, I've got a bit of insigne stuff on a different computer that I can send you, but hopefully I will soon have a few Orchid Digest articles by Pradhan and son from the 70's with detailed information. I will let you know when I have them.
Next comes the Linnean Society Journal of Botany!
My goal here is to make as much slipper info available as I can so everyone can easily research the topic. Therefore, I am now on a first name basis with the microform people in the library. :D
Johns Hopkins in Baltimore has an ungodly collection of original volumes of Curtis's and Gardener's Chronicle from the 19th century, and I hoping they have some other series as well. Also, I hope they let me take a look at them and don't mind me spending hours at a time scanning them into my laptop.
--Stephen
Paphgirl October 10th, 2005, 06:28 PM Stephan, you're really doing an excellent job! A lot of time spent, and a great compilation of material! Now, just the time to read it all....
(Pete, we should maybe add the link to the links page, yes?)
Paphraguy October 10th, 2005, 06:37 PM Stephan, you're really doing an excellent job! A lot of time spent, and a great compilation of material! Now, just the time to read it all....
(Pete, we should maybe add the link to the links page, yes?)
I don't mind as long as Stephen puts a reciprocal link on his site. Stephen, what do you think? :D
Paphgirl October 10th, 2005, 06:43 PM Also, NHOS is putting our's up, so we should put their's up when they do. I'll let you know.
silence882 October 10th, 2005, 10:31 PM Alrighty, I have added a forum link to my page. And I stole your pic to do it! Although I just assumed it would be ok, please let me know if not.
--Stephen
p.s. I haven't even had time to read it all...
Paphraguy October 10th, 2005, 11:09 PM Hi Stephen,
That is quite alright. I'll put up your link later. Thanks and keep up the good work! :thumbsup:
Mang October 11th, 2005, 03:52 AM Mang, I've got a bit of insigne stuff on a different computer that I can send you, but hopefully I will soon have a few Orchid Digest articles by Pradhan and son from the 70's with detailed information. I will let you know when I have them.
--Stephen
Thanks a lot Stephen
Mang
Paphgirl October 13th, 2005, 08:18 AM Jeez, Stephen!
You've put a TON of work into that site! It is excellent.
I love the phylogeny tree.
Will have to spend some more time over there. Now that I have *my* plants in my database I'm looking forward to adding more culture info, and your site will be extremely helpful!
THANKS!
silence882 October 15th, 2005, 11:39 PM Hey, all, I've finally completed another big addition to the site. At the bottom of the page(http://www.slipperorchids.info/) is a link titled 'Primary Hybrid Datasheet.' I made a matrix of all the paph and phrag primary hybrids in excel and uploaded the spreadsheet. Hopefully, I'll update it quarterly as the new listings come out.
--Stephen
TADD October 16th, 2005, 07:15 AM Wow impressive work Stephen! And yeah I am totally going to Ross's place for a Raid, Mang you coming with me?
TADD whispers to Mang "We need to find when he is out of town." ...
So Ross, any big travel plans coming up soon? :poke: Nice additons to the website Ross(photos on the awards page)!
Mang October 16th, 2005, 12:32 PM Wow impressive work Stephen! And yeah I am totally going to Ross's place for a Raid, Mang you coming with me?
TADD whispers to Mang "We need to find when he is out of town." ...
So Ross, any big travel plans coming up soon? :poke: Nice additons to the website Ross(photos on the awards page)!
You bet! BTW are you going to Mecca again soon? Do let me know.
Sincerely(!)
Mang
Stephen can't thank you enough man!
silence882 October 16th, 2005, 11:18 PM Upon further examination, I discovered the Phrag part of the spreadsheet was incomplete, so I've uploaded an updated version.
--Stephen
paphreek October 16th, 2005, 11:58 PM Wow impressive work Stephen! And yeah I am totally going to Ross's place for a Raid, Mang you coming with me?
TADD whispers to Mang "We need to find when he is out of town." ...
So Ross, any big travel plans coming up soon? :poke: Nice additons to the website Ross(photos on the awards page)!
All the pictures are mine, but not all the plants. Tadd and Mang, you're always welcome to visit. I always try to send visitors home with a seedling. But don't try to visit unannouced. We have two vicious attack cats: Studdly and Trouble :twisted:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/paphreek/StudsandTrubbyoutside2005.jpg
Paphgirl October 17th, 2005, 04:26 AM Trouble really looks like he might be problematic. Studdly on the other hand.....
(speaking of hands, mine was just punctured, bitten and scratched. Now, she's back for more. Great. Lovely way to wake up!)
If y'all need help baiting the cats, apparently I'm quite tasty. :roll:
Mang October 17th, 2005, 06:45 AM Nice cats you have there Ross!
Heather you're welcome but er... .. will have to consult da BOSS TADD first!
Mang
silence882 October 18th, 2005, 11:01 PM New graphic!
http://www.slipperorchids.info/primarypaphs.jpg
--Stephen
Paphgirl October 19th, 2005, 05:50 AM OMG, boy, you are really nuts!
I love you being nuts! :lol:
paphreek October 19th, 2005, 08:49 AM 'Website in its Infancy' What are you feeding this infant? It sure is growing fast! Great Job! :clap:
Mang October 19th, 2005, 01:40 PM Hi Stephen!
What does the numbers (weights?) in the phylogenetic tree represent?
Mang
silence882 October 19th, 2005, 04:55 PM Steroids and Crack! The ultimate growth factors...
Plus a whole lot of spare time.
And yes, I am nuts. I blame the ice-weasels.
The numbers represent the number of nucleotides from a certain piece of the DNA strand (the ITS region, why that region is special I don't know, although I'm sure Besk or Stock could explain it) which are different. To calculate the difference, just add up all the numbers along the path between two species. For instance, venustum - lawrenceanum would be 9+5+2+7 = 23. The greater the number of nucleotide substitutions, the further removed two species are from one another.
--Stephen
Mang October 20th, 2005, 01:30 AM The numbers represent the number of nucleotides from a certain piece of the DNA strand (the ITS region, why that region is special I don't know, although I'm sure Besk or Stock could explain it) which are different. To calculate the difference, just add up all the numbers along the path between two species. For instance, venustum - lawrenceanum would be 9+5+2+7 = 23. The greater the number of nucleotide substitutions, the further removed two species are from one another.
--Stephen
Thanks Stephen!
The adding part is fine however the understanding part is an impossibility now(?).....
Mang
silence882 October 21st, 2005, 12:45 PM New graphic!
http://www.slipperorchids.info/mapb&p.jpg
I am in the process of making others, so any suggestions for changes would be helpful!
--Stephen
Mang October 21st, 2005, 03:00 PM Great work Stephen! Keep it going!
BTW the floral sheath sequences/serials seem to be pretty contagious! It's affected your map making too! :lol:
Can't wait to see China and of course India.
Mang
TADD October 21st, 2005, 03:25 PM Wow I think he is feeding it Superthrive! Awesome Stephen!
Ross, I will bring my dog fro some prtoection. He loves to lick cats, they don't like him though. :)
And when I am coming to your house Ross, I am bringing a U-Haul :poke:
silence882 October 21st, 2005, 03:59 PM alright scratch that first link. New link with bigger map is here:
http://www.slipperorchids.info/map1.jpg
Three subgenera down, three to go!
--Stephen
paphreek October 21st, 2005, 06:48 PM Wow I think he is feeding it Superthrive! Awesome Stephen!
Ross, I will bring my dog fro some prtoection. He loves to lick cats, they don't like him though. :)
And when I am coming to your house Ross, I am bringing a U-Haul :poke:
Tadd, you're welcome anytime and you'd better drive! A U-Haul may not be necessary, but I'll fill your car with seedlings!
Paphgirl October 21st, 2005, 06:50 PM oooh, now I'm coming too! :D
silence882 October 21st, 2005, 11:18 PM Second map!
http://www.slipperorchids.info/map2.jpg
5 subgenera down, 1 to go! (should have been 4 before, but I forgot Cochlopetalum)
--Stephen
bench72 October 22nd, 2005, 01:10 AM everytime I see these maps, I think poor druryi.... not one to keep it company...
the website is brilliant Stephen, great resource site.
cheers
tim
Gideon October 22nd, 2005, 03:17 AM Great work Stephen, keep it up :clap: :clap: :clap:
TADD October 22nd, 2005, 06:58 AM On that map, I bet no-one can't guess where I am going to move.....
Paphgirl October 22nd, 2005, 07:45 AM You'll be missed. Looks remote.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/ahmcd33/a4630e75.jpg
Mang October 22nd, 2005, 11:46 AM You'll be missed. Looks remote.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/ahmcd33/a4630e75.jpg
Nay! Ain't that remote, near my place.
Mang
silence882 October 29th, 2005, 08:44 PM New Graphics!
http://www.slipperorchids.info/map3.jpg
http://www.slipperorchids.info/whites.jpg
And I added a bunch of articles from the Linnean Society Journal of Botany and a few misc. others:
http://www.slipperorchids.info/literature/literature.html
Soon, I hope to add a bunch more 19th century stuff, including the Xenia Orchidacea slipper stuff.
--Stephen
Paphgirl October 29th, 2005, 08:54 PM Nay! Ain't that remote, near my place.
Mang
Oh goody! I look forward to watching you and Tadd steal each other's plants back and forth!!
:lol: Could make for some neat posts!! HeeHee!
paphreek October 30th, 2005, 12:56 AM First they're going to raid my collection and then live near each other? :ohmy:
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