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Paphraguy August 2nd, 2005, 11:30 AM This plant came in spike and the bud is now opening very slowly. I'll post another one when the bud is fully open. Thanks for looking!
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6o1l1/eb.jpg
couscous74 August 2nd, 2005, 01:08 PM Awesome. Can't wait to see it. Did I mention how jealous I'm getting?
Paphgirl August 2nd, 2005, 01:10 PM Hey! How'd I miss this post?? :confused:
Nice Peter! Can't wait to see it fully opened up. :)
Gideon August 2nd, 2005, 01:48 PM Lovely, can't wait
nyorchids August 2nd, 2005, 04:23 PM keep us posted looks great so far
Wendy August 2nd, 2005, 04:26 PM Is it open yet? ....I'm waiting.... :wink:
Olaf August 6th, 2005, 08:40 AM Dear Pete,
I am waiting also, because I am interesting which hybrid it is.
The Orchid Registrar thinks that Phrag. Ecua-Bess is the same like Phrag. Olaf Gruss, but the first plants of this cross were made with Phrag. richteri, which would be then Phrag. Franz Glanz.
But also other crosses were sold as Phrag. Ecua-Bess, so my interest for.
Best greetings
Olaf
Paphraguy August 6th, 2005, 08:59 AM Olaf,
This plant is very brand new to me, so I know very little about this hybrid. From what I can tell from the leaves and the flower, I see besseae and the ecuadorense parents and not the richteri species.
Olaf August 6th, 2005, 09:11 AM In the hybrid you can see it a little bit in the leaves and the plant, but only when you have both plants. Phrag. Olaf Gruss is smaller and grows very compact. In the flower you can notice that normally the petals hang a little bit down.
I will look for pictures of both, then you can decide when it flower.
Best greetings
Olaf
Olaf August 6th, 2005, 09:24 AM Now the pictures from my collection
Phragmipedium Franz Glanz - (besseae x richteri)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/og48/FranzGlanz-besseaeXrichteri.jpg
and a group of Phragmipedium Olaf Gruss - besseae x pearcei
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/og48/OlafGruss-besseaeXpearceiGroup.jpg
But sometimes you find also plants which were made with Phrag. dalessandroi. These hybrids have always branched inflorescences, the growths are always near together and at the same time always more then 1 or 2 flowers are open.
Best greetings
Olaf
Paphraguy August 6th, 2005, 09:55 AM Thanks, Olaf! I can definitely see both besseae and richteri in that hybrid. Mine is besseae and ecuadorense for sure.
phragmatic August 6th, 2005, 10:47 AM Olaf,
Your posts on this site are very helpful to me. I just finshed the Orchid Digest issue on phrags. I really find all of this information interesting and helpful. Thanks to you and all the others that post here.
Paul
Paphraguy August 6th, 2005, 11:07 AM Here is the flower fully opened.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6o1l1/ecb.jpg
Olaf August 6th, 2005, 11:12 AM Really beautiful and it is not Phrag. Olaf Gruss, how the Orchid Registrar thinks.
Best greetings
Olaf
Paphgirl August 6th, 2005, 11:28 AM My, that's pretty!
Love the red and yellows! Thanks for such a nice update and interesting discussion.
couscous74 August 6th, 2005, 03:41 PM Beautiful flower. Congratulations! :clap2:
Grandma MC August 6th, 2005, 05:42 PM This is my Ecua Bess and it is not as red as yours. Could mine be mis-labeled?
It started flowering 5/14 and still has a couple of flowers on it. It's beautiful but not a pretty as yours. I like the deeper color better.
Grandma
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/GrandmaMC/EcuaBessphrag.jpg
Grandma MC August 6th, 2005, 05:47 PM I forgot to mention my Ecua Bess is percii X Besseae
Grandma
Paphraguy August 6th, 2005, 06:01 PM Grandma, looks like yours could have been made with the yellow besseae? Looks yellowish to me and mine is much darker and the petals are narrower.
Olaf August 6th, 2005, 06:17 PM Dear Grandma,
yours is the typical Phrag. Olaf Gruss. You find there very dark and also a little bit more rose types.
I prefer the name Phrag. Olaf Gruss, because here are the parents clear, in the origin and first Ecua-Bess the parents were not clear. So I have seen many of these hybrids, coming from England which are always Phrag. Franz Glanz.
It is a little bit difficult with these names, because I named Phrag. Franz Glanz in honour for my friend Franz and he named the other cross as a present for me, but both were mixed so often.
Best greetings
Olaf
Paphgirl August 6th, 2005, 06:44 PM It is a little bit difficult with these names, because I named Phrag. Franz Glanz in honour for my friend Franz and he named the other cross as a present for me, but both were mixed so often.
Best greetings
Olaf
Olaf, that is a sweet story! Perhaps it is fitting that they are so often mixed up, since you are such good friends, perhaps intermingling makes sense here!
It is interesting to hear *how* and *why* you name hybrids as you do.
I enjoy having you here with us on the forum and getting to know you better. :)
Paphraguy August 24th, 2005, 03:47 PM The first flower dropped this morning and the second one looks different, petals are more twisted and the colors look different to me. Much better looking and improved, I think.:D
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6o1l1/ec.png
couscous74 August 24th, 2005, 03:58 PM Looks good to me. But then my highly un-trained eye thought the first one lookd fine too :D
Olaf August 24th, 2005, 04:51 PM Really nice clone
Olaf
Paphgirl August 24th, 2005, 04:53 PM Ah, very pretty!
Glad I'm getting one too! :D
TADD August 24th, 2005, 06:02 PM Great looking flower Pete! I wonder who the flower Olaf Gruss was named after? hhhmmmmmm..... :poke:
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