Question for the phrag folks. What makes Caudatum different from Caudatum var Sanderae? tia!

I believe that the sanderae form is lighter in color than the regular.

Yes as Nick said the sanderae is the lighter color form.

Thanks guys!

Dear Paul,
var. sanderae says nothing. It is only a tradename without any definition.

Very often is told that these are paler or greenish clones but it is really the result of the using of the varietalname sanderae in the genus Paphiopedilum for some albineforms.

The last clone which I have seen with this name was a very bad normalcoloured clone but with a higher price.

Best greetings

Olaf

Thank you for your input Olaf!

Thanks Olaf!!

Dear Paul,
var. sanderae says nothing. It is only a tradename without any definition.

Very often is told that these are paler or greenish clones but it is really the result of the using of the varietalname sanderae in the genus Paphiopedilum for some albineforms.

The last clone which I have seen with this name was a very bad normalcoloured clone but with a higher price.

Best greetings

Olaf

I have never heard that! Thanks for the info... Now I know not to go for the one tradenamed sanderae!

I learn something new here everyday...:cool:

I learn something new here everyday...:cool:

lol Me too!!! so they should just do away with "Sanderae". Too confusing. Another question what about exstaminodium specie? Is that a different specie or same as caudatum?

lol Me too!!! so they should just do away with "Sanderae". Too confusing. Another question what about exstaminodium specie? Is that a different specie or same as caudatum?

I think as the name implies exstaminodium, that species lacks staminodes. I don't know whether that is a completely separate species or considered a variety of caudatum. Olaf?

I think as the name implies exstaminodium, that species lacks staminodes. I don't know whether that is a completely separate species or considered a variety of caudatum. Olaf?

I believe it is a separate species, and because it has no staminodes, it self pollinates on every bloom.

I believe it is a separate species, and because it has no staminodes, it self pollinates on every bloom.

Yes, I also believe it is considered a separate species.

Phrag.exstaminodium is related to Phrag.popowi(warscewiczianum)the central america Phrag caudatum group called also "La Chinela" in the place of origin(from south mexico-chapas...down).The big difference that have brought it to rank of species(doubtfull for me,only a mutation that prospered a littkle bit like Phrag lindenii),is that the flower lacks staminode.Plant dimension etc(compact) and flower shape and color are same of Phrag.popowii.

Thanks Alex!thanks guys!!

Ok next question is the extaminodium specie rare?

Dear Paul,
it is one of the rarest species (or varieties) of the genus in the collections and also in nature

Best greetings

Olaf

OL had it a few weeks ago... Don't know if it sold out yet though.

Thanks Olaf!!

Very informative thread...:cool:

If this species is related to popowii then I'm assuming it is just as slow growing?

If this species is related to popowii then I'm assuming it is just as slow growing?

Yes, all the long petaled Phrag species in my collection are very slow growing.

Yes, all the long petaled Phrag species in my collection are very slow growing.

But, the larger plants do grow much faster than the small seedlings.

But, the larger plants do grow much faster than the small seedlings.

Not by much, just a tad bit faster but still slow. Their hybrids on the other hand, grow like weeds, for example my Phrag Grande grows extremely fast.

Another question here why hybrids grow faster?

OL had it a few weeks ago... Don't know if it sold out yet though.

I bought few months ago Phrag extaminodium from Orchid Inn,nice seedlings that have put new roots immediately,quite expensive but worth buying for quality and cause very rare to find for sell.I have 1 plant bought some years ago and is quite slow growing like Phrag. popowii.

Another question here why hybrids grow faster?

Thats because hybrids are more vigorous and robust carrying different genes from both parents of different species.

Thats because hybrids are more vigorous and robust carrying different genes from both parents of different species.

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Thats because hybrids are more vigorous and robust carrying different genes from both parents of different species.

Exactly! And not only can they grow faster but they can also get huge in size exceeding the sizes of the parent species!

I bought few months ago Phrag extaminodium from Orchid Inn,nice seedlings that have put new roots immediately,quite expensive but worth buying for quality and cause very rare to find for sell.I have 1 plant bought some years ago and is quite slow growing like Phrag. popowii.

Earl at Orchid Babies also had a whole tray of them at the Slipper symposium last month so you might want to check him out if any one is still looking for one and the other vendors are out.
Rob