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Paph. primulinum (left) and Paph. glaucophyllum (right)

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Paph. liemianum (left) and Paph. Salvadore Dali 'Doris Cox' HCC/AOS (liemianum x chamberlainianum) (right)

Nice to see them side by side. Interesting. Are they your's and all blooming? I have primulinum var. flavum blooming now also, and moquettianum. They are nice they go so long. It was a surprise when I first saw primulinum, they are so small compared to the others. I once saw someone mention they got sick of them, but I am happy to have them keep going and going in these dreary winter months!

Jon, they are not extinct in the wild and there are still plenty of wild plants available in the native countries. However , those are not easily available in your country owning to strict regulation and monitering from agency. But .. I bet there should be many in collectors' hands ! Hehe !!! Guess what I meant ?! :lol:

I understand, and I just hope that if plants are on the verge of extinction(for any reason) they are alive in someone's collection so that they aren't lost forever. Hopefully one day CITES will realize that there is a difference between exporting animal parts which are obtained from killing the animal, and seedpods which can be removed without injury to the plant. But that is another forum altogether......
Doing my part for ex-situ conservation,
Jon

Oh yeh Jon ! I knew many habitats of these lovely paphs were destroyed forever owning to human development ... Those wild orchids were collected while their habitats before they are disappeared ... However, these kind of "collection" may be considered illegal no matter they will still disappear forever "naturally" a month or two later ... No one will border saving these orchids if they cannot make a living themselves ... and CITES is definitely not helping to save these orchids. (just works to restrict international trade) That is the real life ... Eventually paphs will be extinct from nature ... without leaving anything ....

Hi Avery,

I wonder if you could verify which species are actually extinct.

I have heard these stories for a number of years now, but I have never seen anyone actually spell out exactly which species that went extinct.

What can you add?

Thanks,

Lance

Hi Avery,

I wonder if you could verify which species are actually extinct.

I have heard these stories for a number of years now, but I have never seen anyone actually spell out exactly which species that went extinct.

What can you add?

Thanks,

Lance

The only species I heard of which could be extinct in the wild is vietnamense ... Almost no more vietnamense can be found up till now ... except those collected ones found several years ago .. Those available now are almost all sibbling and selfing crosses from those plants. I did not heard of any collected plants for sell for years ...

Thanks for your reply.

So then, as I understand it, there are no species that you are certain have gone extinct.

As for P. vietnamense, Averyanov states that they have been decimated....but he has not declared them extinct. At lest as far as I have heard.

In reality, trying to eliminate a single species of plant which reproduces by seed would be an impossible task for anyone to accomplish. Even Phil Cribb recently stated that ......recent fears of over-collecting seem to have been greatly exagerated.

I think it is necessary to make this point Avery, since repeating this erroneous fable does NOT help us orchid growers one bit.

Think about it.

Lance

they are very similar in colloring and the to dorsals are the most noticeable difference to me, nice photos Jon