This is the smallest multifloral Paph species. A little tricky to grow and bloom.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6o1l1/wil1.jpg

Hi Peter, very nice looking flowers . I was wondering how big are the flowers? It does look a little like my Paph. Booth's Saint-Adductum x wilhelminiae'Fox River' HCC/AOS . :D

Eric

Hi Peter, very nice looking flowers . I was wondering how big are the flowers? It does look a little like my Paph. Booth's Saint-Adductum x wilhelminiae'Fox River' HCC/AOS . :D

Eric

Thanks, Eric! The flowers are about 3-5" wide, not too big compared to its larger cousins.

What a cutie! Thanks for sharing! How big was you's when it bloomed, Pete?

What a cutie! Thanks for sharing! How big was you's when it bloomed, Pete?

Thanks! The growth in bloom was about 8-9 inches wide.

Mine is still tiny, though it has grown, it will be a while before it blooms. Still it was a nice one to get as a freebie, wasn't it!?

Mine is still tiny, though it has grown, it will be a while before it blooms. Still it was a nice one to get as a freebie, wasn't it!?

How big is yours again? Single growth, right?

Beautiful Peter. I think I have this species as well. It might well be sending up a flower sheath at the moment. It was sold to me as praestans, it had wilhelminiae lightly written on the label and someone said to me the fact that it has so much red in the leaves means it is likely to be Paph. bodegomii. So I'm a bit confused. I'll post a photo whenever it flowers and hopefully someone can accurately identify it. Is there a lot of red in your leaves?

David

How big is yours again? Single growth, right?

6.25" - one growth, yes. Has grown about an inch since August, which is not bad. BTW, mine is labeled as glanduliferum! Lot of this going around I guess! :roll:

6.25" - one growth, yes. Has grown about an inch since August, which is not bad. BTW, mine is labeled as glanduliferum! Lot of this going around I guess! :roll:

So, your's is almost a matured growth. You should start seeing new growths soon. :joy:

Mine's growing at a good clip...has about an 18" LS and just started it's 2nd growth. I hear these things can be quite variable in size. The largest leaf is a bit less than an inch wide. Lots and lots of roots...holding out hope! Paph. wilhelminiae ('Candor Cobra' HCC/AOS x 'Candor Viper' AM/AOS) So, you know where mine was "born"... Rob

Mine's growing at a good clip...has about an 18" LS and just started it's 2nd growth. I hear these things can be quite variable in size. The largest leaf is a bit less than an inch wide. Lots and lots of roots...holding out hope! Paph. wilhelminiae ('Candor Cobra' HCC/AOS x 'Candor Viper' AM/AOS) So, you know where mine was "born"... Rob

I have never heard nor seen one with a 18" LS! Are you sure it's a true wilhelminiae?

I figured you'd have a comment about that which is why I mentioned it. I can only go by the tag... It certainly has the leaf type for it. Tip to tip...not individual leaves. I got it late last year and I do know it was grown under some pretty low light which may have something to do with it. I just need to remember where I read about them being so variable in size...hmmmm.....

I figured you'd have a comment about that which is why I mentioned it. I can only go by the tag... It certainly has the leaf type for it. Tip to tip...not individual leaves. I got it late last year and I do know it was grown under some pretty low light which may have something to do with it. I just need to remember where I read about them being so variable in size...hmmmm.....

You could be right about the variations but I truly doubt it. Anything is possible including you getting a mislabelled plant or like you said it was grown under very low light, so that is another possibility. Can you post a pic of the whole plant, if you don't mind? I'm just curious.

Somebody sure is demanding! :D Here ya go... That new leaf wasn't there the beginning of the year...growing nicely... - Rob
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/TerpsRock/Paphwilhelminiae3-10-05.jpg

Oh my gosh! Rob, that is huge! That doesn't look like wilh. to me. I know very little, but seriously, that is LARGE!!!

Other comments? Looking forward to them!

Thanks for posting, Rob! To be honest with you, I don't think it is a wilhelminiae after all. The leaves are unusually long and it looks like some kind of a hybrid to me. I really hope that I'm wrong but I do have some doubts. What do others think?

Well you guys are way up there...go yell at 'em for me! :wink: Sure has very narrow leaves compared to others in it's family...leaves are darker than the picture shows...but my lights are making them lighter!

This plant did spend most of it's life growing under a bench in...I know they like a lot more light than that...and got a lot of fertilizer...in a very warm greenhouse. I'm interested to see how large the 2nd growth gets under my conditions.

Maybe if I feel motivated to take it for a ride I can ask Marriott or Woodstream tomorrow...but I'm betting they'll tell me they don't know until they see it bloom...hmm...

I knew bringing up the size of this would keep the conversation going...

This is what a wilhel. plant should look like and should not have extra long floppy leaves.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6o1l1/wil.jpg

Well...the newer leaves (once it came out from the dark :twisted:) appear to be more "appropriate"... I'll at least ask 'em tomorrow...

Rob - I agree with Peter and Heather. It is almost impossible to believe that could be wilhelminiae. My plant is flowering size and its growths would be only a third of that size. My plant looks totally different to Peter's though. Has lots of red in the leaves and the leaves are much narrower. I'll take a photo on the weekend and post it on Monday.

Your plant looks fantastic though. So healthy. Fascinating to see what it turns out to be.

David

Okay, here's my wilhelm, and I think the photo is large but can't fix now - you'll have to bear w/ me, having RAM issues. It is only 6.5" and Pete's bloomed 8-10".

Anyway....It is a very healthy looking plant! That was good of David to mention, it looks FAB, I just haven't a clue what it is, sorry! Have you thought of asking Bob/Lynn? I just cannot imagine a plant of that size being wilhelmineae! :confused:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6k4l0/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/wilhel.jpg

hahahaha! Ok I will fix this tomorrow... sorry!! Looks as big as Terp's though, now, huh?

Heather, your's is the real deal. Mine looked just like that at that age. :)

LOL! Thanks Pete, that's a GREAT pic of my hand no? Seriously, I am having serious RAM issues w/ my Mac so bear w/ me. I'll fix w/ more time tomorrow! Sorry about that!

LOL! Thanks Pete, that's a GREAT pic of my hand no? Seriously, I am having serious RAM issues w/ my Mac so bear w/ me. I'll fix w/ more time tomorrow! Sorry about that!

:lol: No problem. Take your time!

Yeah, Heather your's is Gigantic! :) Heather's is the actual color... Now I want to go put it outside in the freezing cold to force a bud! ha! All of it's siblings from the same flask were much smaller and the grower has no plants similar in type...maybe it's a freak! :? It will be very interesting to see it finally flower. It's a bummer that the drama will take a very long time to unfold! Maybe he'll remember who he sold some of the others to and I can do some digging that way... I'm still clinging to the hope that it has something to do with very low light and tons of food...They say they look like a mini roth and the plant itself certainly looks that way compared to the roths I've seen... HURRY UP AND BLOOM ALREADY! :poke:

I was actually thinking it looked rather roth like, actually. Wouldn't be such a bad mix up then, I guess! :lol:

Here's what L.Birk says... According to your description of the conditions under which the plant has been grown....I'd say that is possible it could be P. wilhelminae. Those conditions will certainly make a plant expand in size. Natural conditions are just the opposite for the plant, therefore they grow much smaller.

I don't want to wait until it blooms...I'm gonna keep diggin' until I figure it out :mad: ...just like it took me almost forever to figure out about my Utgard...

Rob

We beat this one so far into the ground that the little note thing on the side is moving/blinking! How many until we max out a post?

Mine has a new leaf today! See what I mean? Talk about it long enough and your plants miraculously grow! :-dance:

Well I have a whole bunch we better start discussing! Some I'm not sure I even want them to grow any more because they've made me mad! :twisted: I still can't bloom a couple of my 1st Paphs and they've been blooming size and are supposed to be easy...like my delanatii I tried to kill by 1st rotting then underwater/feeding...and my Yospur I've tried to rot all of the roots off... And silly me can grow supposedly more "difficult" aremeniacums like crazy... :? I think it all goes back to my water...again...

Well, if your theory works...let's discuss my vietnamense compots! ....and my insigne/villosum family of Phals! You don't see as many people growing those and they're some of my faves!

Well, if your theory works...let's discuss my vietnamense compots! ....and my insigne/villosum family of Phals! You don't see as many people growing those and they're some of my faves!

Okay, I'd like to have a Prince Edward of York discussion, please!

Water issues..pfftt!:cheeky: I've had a terrible time figuring out watering. I have floppified (I should trademark that word I made up!) more than my share of plants....

I think the first year is the hardest. You just don't know what works and what doesn't until you try, really. Also, here in the Northeast, the seasons change so frequently! *JUST* when you think you've figured out the "right" schedule, the weather changes and temps and sunlight intensity.

Nice to chat w/ someone new like me, makes me feel a little better. There have been weeks where I've been frustrated, but most often, I find all of this very pleasant and relaxing.

But, we're still blooming lots of stuff...and, at least in my case, if it were too easy it wouldn't be any fun...like most of my Phals. The challenge/learning is 1/2 the fun.

I underfertilized and underwatered for a while...took a couple months to make most perky and green again. I've also overwatered...

Someday we'll figure it out...

Mine are spiking too. I've had them for a couple of years, and they are about 3 growths apeice now. Leaf span is only about 6 - 8 inches.

Terp,

If you had shown me that plant with no explanations.........

I'd say it was a rothschildianum,

or possibly a lowii (not probably, though).

But I'm afraid you're just gonna have to be patient!!!

You know what THAT is, don't you? I mean you ARE an orchid grower, right?

LB

Hey, you found us! Check out the pic I posted of the one I got today at the Maryland Orchid Society Meeting. The plant looks almost exactly the same.

Patience?...well after my team's season...and all the money I give to them...I need lots!!!!

We won't mention those other kinds of slippers to you again...LOL

Shouldn't be a wilhelminiae ... and those leaves don't look like glanduliferum neither ... Could it be others ?? Say multifloral ?? Hybrids ??

Here's a side-by-side. They look the same to me...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/TerpsRock/Bothwilhelms.jpg

We won't mention those other kinds of slippers to you again...LOL

heh, yes, wondered if that might be the cause of some lurking going on.....


H<-----back to watching Blazing Saddles.....;)

Well since this site has emoticons maybe people will think we're nicer over here... :therethere: Humor just doesn't come across in print well...I know...I'm about as sarcastic as they come! :twisted:

They still look like hybrids to me because the leaves are unusually long and slender. This species is supposed to stay small, so I think you may have a wil hybrid like a Susan Booth crossed back to wil and that to me explains the large size. I really hope I'm wrong, though!

Are you saying the pic of the flower I posted yesterday on the "Today's Purchase" post isn't a wilhelminiae? (gardinerrii) They're definitely not from the same grower... :? The shorter pot of the one in front (above) is making the leaves on that one look a bit narrower than actual size. Ugh...and I thought I had this thing figured out...

Are you saying the pic of the flower I posted yesterday on the "Today's Purchase" post isn't a wilhelminiae? (gardinerrii) They're definitely not from the same grower... :? The shorter pot of the one in front (above) is making the leaves on that one look a bit narrower than actual size. Ugh...and I thought I had this thing figured out...

Yes, those flowers do look like willy flowers but flowers from a hybrid Susan Booth x wil should also look quite similar. I have never seen a wil that big! Paph wilhelminiae is the smallest multifloral species and it has been used by breeders for decades to scale down the size of other multifloral hybrids. Either you have a wil hybrid or an unusually large wil! :lol: Have you seen Orchid Hunter on Nova (PBS). The orchid hunters come across many wils growing in the wild and they were all small and petite and not large.

No...I need to check that out! I remember you guys mentioning it. It'll be interesting to see how the 2nd one flowers. I'm positive it came from an Antec flask which listed both parents as awarded wilhelm's. The new one originated in CA... Both Paul and Hadley said it's a wilhelm... Maybe I'll take them to the meeting this month and ask Bill from Woodstream. I recall seeing 2 in bloom at his place late Dec...but I don't remember what the leaves looked like because they were mixed in with other stuff.... I vote that I have a SuperWil! But, I'm still very new at this...

Did we max out the post yet....?

Hello, Here is a picture of my Booth's Saint-Adductum x wilhelminiae'Fox River' HCC/AOS it has a 18 inch LS and the leaves are 1 1/4 inches wide, if you would like to compare. and the flowers look like my avatar picture.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/wolfcreekmn/boothstaddwi3.jpg

Eric

Before reading that yours were 1 1/4 I had noticed mine are much more narrow... That's a nice looking plant! We want to see it again once that spike's "done"!

Terp,

Here is a screen cap from the Orchid Hunter show. Note the size of the wilhelminiae plant growing in the wild, small and not big at all.



http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6o1l1/OH1.JPG

Hard to see the whole plant in that cap, Pete, but thanks...I'm going to search a bit online for some crosses and see what comes up....

This is *really* fascinating!
Though, I feel bad using poor Terp's plants as guinea pigs, I do hope we are wrong and this is just SUPER WHIL!!!! (That'd be a great handle....) hehe!

This is cracking me up! Yeah, quit picking on me! :cry: Is that show still running? I can't see the leaves :confused: So, if that leaf behind his hand is any indication...and it's larger, it must be at least 6 inches...which puts it at a min 12" LS. Nice pull on getting a TV screen shot posted!

Okay, I'm not giving up yet! So, the people that see it in person think it's a wilhelm...but not the people that see the pics...hmm... Here's another view...see how little and cute he looks now? :lol: Diatomite has nice colors...I'm sleepy...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/TerpsRock/stand2wilelms.jpg

What is your local PBS station and I'll search for you.

Ok, I know your new one, what are the other ones? Sorry!!! Hang in there we are really trying to help, not piss off! LOL!!

(I'll preface this...remember I said I'm sarcastic!)

You guys are just mean. My poor wil...he's getting picked on because he grew up under a bench... Oh, I may not have done Orchids too long but I do come from 3 generations of Nursery Owners...this plant has the signs that it was "reaching" for light sideways given the way the leaves were when I got him.

The top plant is the "true" wilhelm that I got from the show Friday. Hadley and Paul didn't hesitate when they said what it was. And, the seller's been doing it over 30 yrs...I'm gonna agree with those 3. The flower looks just like the pics I've seen and the nifty one Peter just posted. The "little" one on the bottom that looks exactly like the one on the top, in person, is the one you guys are being mean to! :(

And, Peter can tell us what the middle one is by looking at the leaves! LOL! And, it's gonna be big! 2 new starts on that one...wohoo...maybe it'll bloom next season.

The one in the middle is a Super henryanum. Well, at least it starts with an "S"....

Big post...

Nope, it is impossible for me to tell by just looking at the leaves especially from a photograph and I think nobody can. You may still have the real wil after all, you never know and it could just be a freaky unusually large willy! :lol:

(I'll preface this...remember I said I'm sarcastic!)

You guys are just mean. My poor wil...he's getting picked on because he grew up under a bench... Oh, I may not have done Orchids too long but I do come from 3 generations of Nursery Owners...this plant has the signs that it was "reaching" for light sideways given the way the leaves were when I got him.

The top plant is the "true" wilhelm that I got from the show Friday. Hadley and Paul didn't hesitate when they said what it was. And, the seller's been doing it over 30 yrs...I'm gonna agree with those 3. The flower looks just like the pics I've seen and the nifty one Peter just posted. The "little" one on the bottom that looks exactly like the one on the top, in person, is the one you guys are being mean to! :(

And, Peter can tell us what the middle one is by looking at the leaves! LOL! And, it's gonna be big! 2 new starts on that one...wohoo...maybe it'll bloom next season.

The one in the middle is a Super henryanum. Well, at least it starts with an "S"....

Big post...

:therethere:

(we need that little "playing the violin" moti, I think!) ;)

Too funny...and I like the "there there" guys..hadn't seen those b4 this site...

It's a Saint

Too funny...and I like the "there there" guys..hadn't seen those b4 this site...

It's a Saint

I figured it was some roth cross but couldn't tell exactly what hybrid specifically. Some St. Swithins can get quite large especially the ones made with the phil parent. The ones made with the roebellinii parents tend to stay a little smaller but still get large nonetheless.

Terp - St. Swithin? Looks a lot like mine. Did you get it from Paul? that was a great deal!

You bet! Got a tiger (same as yours) and a couple other things to get up to that "deal"...Free is cool! It's the only Paph I grow in a window...takes up way too much space under the lights. It's growing well there...

[quote="Terp"]No...I need to check that out! I remember you guys mentioning it. It'll be interesting to see how the 2nd one flowers. I'm positive it came from an Antec flask which listed both parents as awarded wilhelm's. The new one originated in CA... Both Paul and Hadley said it's a wilhelm... Maybe I'll take them to the meeting this month and ask Bill from Woodstream. I recall seeing 2 in bloom at his place late Dec...but I don't remember what the leaves looked like because they were mixed in with other stuff.... I vote that I have a SuperWil! But, I'm still very new at this...


I've got a SuperWil, too, but I thought we were talking about plants! :poke:

I was seriously wondering how long it would take to get to that level...I was gonna mention where my will grew up but figured I'd better stay away... Hilarious!!!

Usually its the size discussions that denegrate to this level....:roll:

Leave it to me to 'elevate' a discussion to its lowest possible level. :oops: Seriously, I'd wait to see the bloom. My wilheminae bloomed on a ten inch growth, but I've had other species that have varied considerably in size. For instance, one Paph concolor currently in bloom has a leaf span of 6 inches, while another bloomed with a 12 inch span.

You bet! Got a tiger (same as yours) and a couple other things to get up to that "deal"...Free is cool! It's the only Paph I grow in a window...takes up way too much space under the lights. It's growing well there...

Hehe, you know, I was eligible for THREE of them (Pete and I had a little combined buying spree earlier this year, LOL!)
I sold one, kept one, and got a Susan Booth instead of one! How ridiculous!

Actually, tho I was thrilled w/ the Susan Booth, it is just too large, so up for trade in the trade/sale section. Lovely plant of course! I had to snip off a fairly new leaf halfway after it burnt when I was away on vacation last month. :cry: It is doing fine though, otherwise!