I have several crosses developing where one of the parents is an unnamed cross that I have bloomed from purchased seedlings or flasks. In other words, I am not the originator of the unnamed parent. Can I still register my cross (once it blooms) even if the parent remains unnamed?

I'm pretty sure that you can, but you should ask the creator of the cross if you can name it if that is possible.

I'm pretty sure that you can, but you should ask the creator of the cross if you can name it if that is possible.

You misunderstood my question. I don't care to name the other person's cross. I have, however used this other person's unnamed cross as a parent and need to know if my cross can be named when one of the parents has not been registered.

The prior cross needs to be named in order for you to name your cross. You can ask them to name the prior cross or ask for their permission to name it, then proceed with naming your cross.

The prior cross needs to be named in order for you to name your cross. You can ask them to name the prior cross or ask for their permission to name it, then proceed with naming your cross.

Ross,

If you have made a good faith effort to obtain such permission, but to no avail, you can still register the cross with originator unknown/defunct as the case may be.

For example, I have at least half a dozen plants from the now defunct White River Orchids. Some have potential, so I tried to track down Ms. Hanson. I have gotten as far as someone who knows her, and I got a message back that she has no records of what crosses she made (or whether any were sourced from someone else).

If I decide to use any of those plants for breeding, I intend to name them, showing White River Orchids (defunct) as the originator.

It is frustrating having ((X x Y) x (W x Z)) on the bench. If someone has gone through the trouble of making the cross, flasking, etc., you would think that they would spend the twelve dollars and naming the thing.

Kim

I was under the impression that one could still name a cross, if one the parents was not named, as long as you know the cross. The application has a spot for the specific or grex name

Edit: I double checked...I am wrong. You have to name the unnamed parent and wait for that to be approved prior to naming your cross.

Ross-

Short answer = No. Just another thing to make a BYH's (Back Yard Hybridizer) life difficult. The good news is, you probably will get to name both crosses. I'd use PIA for the unnamed parent ( PIA= Pain In A##).

Thanks for all the replies. Kim, one of my unnamed parents came from White River Orchids. I guess I was hoping there was an easy way out, but I will start a search for the originators. At least I have plenty of time as the seeds are just germinating.

Thanks for all the replies. Kim, one of my unnamed parents came from White River Orchids. I guess I was hoping there was an easy way out, but I will start a search for the originators. At least I have plenty of time as the seeds are just germinating.

Ross,

If the parent is unnnamed, first generation (X x Y) and from White River, you can simply name it if you have a photo. I will send you a PDF with e-mail messages showing that White River is no more, and that no records exist from their breeding program.

Even if plants did not originate from White River, the true originator has had 5-6 years to name them, and has not.

The problem is of course if it is ((X x Y) x Z) or worse, here you would need photos of the grandparent.

Kim

PS. I have (William Stirling 'West Point' x Hellas 'Westonbirt') opening, should have photo of fully open bloom by next weekend.